Sunday, September 17, 2006

Pope's speech at University of Regensburg

Has anyone read this? I printed it out wondering what all the latest “Muslim rage” was about, and walk away totally astounded at something unrelated: Ratzinger's command of theology and philosophy, and above all, his reverence for reason:

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=46474

I guess it's easy to sometimes fall into the trap of believing old, crotchety looking figures of the church are simplistic, defenders of church dogma, and not learned men, academics who wrestle with profound philosophical questions. In his lecture linked above, Ratzinger speaks of how reason and faith can coincide, and how reason must necessarily be extended to questions of faith and God if western culture and ethics are to avoid irreparable harm.

Wow. Maybe I need to get out more, but a reconciliation of reason and faith? Nobody it seems to me talks this way, or at least they haven’t since Isaac Newton's time. Reason and faith are two concepts commonly thought of as hopelessly irreconcilable, and should always be kept in separate corners of the ring. That really jostled me, reading that.

Also, I couldn’t help but think of Hadley Arkus and his thesis in “First Things”:

http://www.amazon.com/First-Things-Hadley-Arkes/dp/069102247X/sr=8-2/qid=1158483646/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-9934416-2102509?ie=UTF8&s=books

...and how Arkus’ rational-inquiry arguments for arriving at truths relate with the Pope’s dire observation that “reason is so reduced that questions of religion and ethics no longer concern it.”

And I believe this is true: today when people speak of truth and what is right and wrong, there is usually a general appeal to consensus, convention, or what is “practical”. Mention morality or the thought of universals as accessible through a reasoned inquiry, and people almost automatically look at you as if you must be some kind of religious nut. Such appeals to morality are supposed to be regulated to subjective private belief or the religious "fundamentalist”, but certainly not arrived at through the methods of a scientist. Reason, properly understood, is a secular tool for the improvement of society solely through science, but is not considered applicable to anything immeasurable, to metaphysics, the superstition of faith, or to knowledge not arrived at through the senses. What a silly modern you would be to do this.

When this is the case, as the Pope points out, when scientific reason “attempts to construct an ethic from the rules of evolution, or from psychology and sociology” it “ends up being simply inadequate.”

Actually, I think this is an understatement. If you’re skeptical, I say simply look at what low status the concept of freewill and self-responsibility are afforded in explaining human behavior and outcomes. The social sciences would convince you that you are awash in an ocean of political, social, and economic forces in which the agency of the individual has all but disappeared. Well, I’m reasonably assured that I’m still here. Are you? Or is this all a market campaign?

Maybe I’ll write more on this later tonight when I’m done watching TV (receiving my regular dose of propaganda from the media whose function it is to amuse, entertain, and inform, and to inculcate me with the values, beliefs, and codes of behavior that will help integrate me into the institutional structures of the larger society of concentrated wealth and major conflicts of class interest). Pardon the Chomsky imitation: I digress.

Back to the Pope: As I mentioned, his discussion, in part, is focused on how it is “reasonable to raise the question of God through reason” and warns that to cope with the dangers that arise with modernity --such as but not limited to the violence of religious extremists—we need to “overcome the self-imposed limitations of reason to the empirically verifiable.” In other words, spreading faith through violence is unreasonable, and to not act in accordance with reason is contrary to God’s nature.

This is obviously a direct challenge in these days of suicide belts and plots to explode planes into buildings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em-MnAYiEWk&mode=related&search=

Similarly, “First Things” instructs about the possibility of necessary truths being established through reason, and illustrates how reason has come to be excluded from the inquiry into morality and law, and has instead been supplanted by a mindless relativism and legal positivism.

So why am I all excited by this you may well ask?

Whether in the evolving legislation of law and defining principles of justice, or religious law and an understanding of God, both authors have a genuine critique of the loss of the use of reason in establishing truth and understanding in either domain. That’s a specific conversation I find exceptionally relevant to the precarious state of western civilization today and well... I just get all hot and heavy under the collar when I come across someone of high profile stirring the pot, a pot of taboo discourse that needs to be stirred more frequently than it currently is.

Anyways, this was one of my “reads’ today and it had a profound impact on me. If you get the chance to digest it, tell me what you think and add some food for thought. Please contribute!

16 comments:

Lips Mahoney said...

I count at least 4 metaphors for food in the last 2 paragraphs. Am I missing any?

Mark said...

The Pope? The guy was a child Nazi for Gaia's sake!

The New York Times, as always, nails this one. (no pun intended)

Excerpt;

The Vatican issued a statement saying that Benedict meant no offense and in fact desired dialogue. But this is not the first time the pope has fomented discord between Christians and Muslims.
In 2004 when he was still the Vatican’s top theologian, he spoke out against Turkey’s joining the European Union, because Turkey, as a Muslim country was “in permanent contrast to Europe.”

A doctrinal conservative, his greatest fear appears to be the loss of a uniform Catholic identity, not exactly the best jumping-off point for tolerance or interfaith dialogue.

The world listens carefully to the words of any pope. And it is tragic and dangerous when one sows pain, either deliberately or carelessly. He needs to offer a deep and persuasive apology, demonstrating that words can also heal.

Lips Mahoney said...

Welcome Dhun, Glad to see you here, really.

I or you for that matter may jump up and down in public, angrily pumping our fists in the air, and calling the Pope the devil incarnate while frothing at the mouth, but our emoting wouldn’t be evidence as to unforgivable slander or injustice.

Since it calls for him to apologize, to acknowledge a wrong-doing and show contrition, did this New York Times editorial identify the exact source of this “tragic pain” and “careless discord” from the Pope’s lecture? An excerpt from his speech outlining his specific trespass against Islam, or did the editorial’s author find that a trivial, unnecessary provision?

Mark said...

Here's the entire (short) editorial...

http://tinyurl.com/pcemu

If only these writers and opinion givers would get as concerned over the ones shouting "Allahu Akbar" while killing in the name of God, our civilization might be better off.

Lips Mahoney said...

Ah, I got the “transgression” right here:

"The pope quoted the emperor saying, “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

But ask: was Muhammad not a warrior? Does Islam today not suffer from a strain of militant radicals that advocate violence to achieve their ends? I could understand being upset as a Muslim if the Pope himself suggested that all of Islam is nothing more than “Jihad”, but that's not what he did. "These (words) were in fact a quotation from a Medieval text which do not in any way express my personal thought," Benedict told pilgrims at his summer palace outside Rome. In fact, the Pope is on record as having praised the virtuous qualities of Islam while being critical of its dilemmas at the same time.

The central point Benedict was trying to make was that faith –in principle, any faith, whether it’s Islam, Christianity, or The Cult of Bob--is something that should be explained to others by the use of reason, not the use of force. If someone needs to die over a theological disagreement, then that would run counter to “reasonableness”, and would clearly be offensive to God.

It is undeniably the case that many (but not all) Muslims today struggle violently against becoming part of modernity. Should we or the Pope be in denial of this fact so as to not offend those very people who would behead us for being decedent infidels?

Have no misunderstanding: if the Pope were speaking of the historic sins of the Catholic Church, there would be no cries of outrage or calls for apology. Instead, he would be encouraged to continue in cathartic fashion, and perhaps that would be a good thing. But should he address the very real crisis in Islam today, something that directly affects Muslims and non-Muslims alike, shame on him for “dangerously reinforcing a false and biased view of Islam”.

The argument gets so ridiculous after awhile, and it almost becomes impossible to bring up the topic of radical Islam without the conversation-stopping accusation of stereotyping, or of having painted all of Islam with a broad brush in simply observing the obvious calamity in Islam with radicals that are willing to employ tactics of terror in the name of God.

In the meantime, the real discussion aimed towards reconciliation between faiths, of how reason should be applied to faith, is left unattended on the backburner.

Lips Mahoney said...

Apparently, Op-Eds published in Arab newspapers slammed the pope even after the Vatican’s apology. The most extreme opinions were voiced by an Iranian newspaper stating that there were signs of an "Israeli-US plot" behind the Pope’s remarks, and by Hani Pahas in the London-based Arabic-language daily newspaper Al-Hayat, who wrote “the pope’s comments may lead to war”.

Isn’t this reaction proving the Popes remarks??? Or am I now “dangerously reinforcing a false and biased view of Islam” by pointing this out?

And is this too another "Israeli-US plot"?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,20429245,00.html

Lips Mahoney said...

"Secret Shopping" huh?

This has got Mossad written all over it.

Lips Mahoney said...

Welcome Ron! I wish there was a snack bar here that I could point you to, but, well... I’ll have to work on that. I’m wondering if the host allows streaming of music too; I’ll have to check that out. That would be very cool.

Imagine a world with complacent, fun loving Arabs? I do, I guess, and I understand that for many moderate Muslims, there isn’t a desire to restore the mediaeval caliphate by force, just as there are devout Christians today who do not take the bible in literal translation. My wish would be that these moderates could more often find it within themselves to speak out and condemn the perverse thought and actions of the few radicals that are making life difficult for the rest of us. There’s a battle going on within Islam itself, and the complacent, fun-loving moderates need to prevail.

I’ve got to go deal with my allergies as my nose is about to fall off. Praise Allah this does not offend.

Mark said...

"On questions of national security, I am now as wary of my fellow liberals as I am of the religious demagogues on the Christian right."


Yes indeed. They're the fool that's standing up in the canoe waving their hands shouting "don't question my patriotism".

Lips Mahoney said...

Valid criticism of ideas that have consequences is being confused as "censorship". Rational concern over violent radicalism is being confused with "phobia". Behind these fallacies is this same crew of canoeists, committed either intentionally or otherwise. And I believe this is doing harm to policy and the public’s ability to discern a real threat.

So I hereby petition that we ban canoes.

Lips Mahoney said...

If you listen to some, to speak of the danger of this interesting British fellow would be "Islamaphobic" and submitting to the culture of irrational fear crafted by the status quo in times of re-election:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G99_wqfPLXI

But please don't think or judge: embrace difference.

Mark said...

All I have to say to those clerics is that they had better change their stance toward DEVO, or else there's going to be super-severe consequences for them.

Here's their first portion allotment of must-tolerate material....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc

Allahu DEVO!!!

Mark said...

This is a worthy read...

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20061009&s=nirenberg100906

It's almost being discussed at this blog...

http://zenmonkey74.blogspot.com/

Lips Mahoney said...

Thanks. Will print out and read. Over.

Mark said...

more follow-up

http://tinyurl.com/g7zv7

Lips Mahoney said...

Will print out and read too.

What did you glean from either article?